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Major actions inhibiting tech start-ups

Leading mining technology players have urged the big miners to do more to support the growing sector.
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L-R: Paul Lucey, Paul Goiak, Penny Stewart and Ashley Brown on a panel at METSStocks. Photo: METS Ignited

Kristie Batten*

KPMG mining strategy national lead and program director of the KPMG Energise accelerator Ashley Brown led a panel session at METSStocks Sydney, part of the inaugural Future of Mining conference, where panellists including Petra Data Science managing director Penny Stewart and Project 412 CEO Paul Lucey outlined the biggest barriers to growth in the mining, equipment, technology and services (METS) sector.

Lengthy payment terms, imposed by the biggest miners, was one area singled out.

"The payment terms are horrendous in mining," Lucey said.

"Australia is one of the worst jurisdictions for payment terms in the world."

Lucey said he'd bought a coffee before the conference and paid on his credit card, which would be debited almost immediately.

"There's no reason that can't happen today in mining," he said.

Stewart agreed that 60 days was too long.

"Waiting over 60 days to get your money means you just don't have the cashflow you need," she said.

"I see payment terms as really inhibiting growth."

Intellectual property was another area of concern, with Stewart saying she wouldn't take any new initiatives to tier one miners.

"You run the risk of them taking it to their procurement teams and putting it out to tender," she said.

Stewart described the mid-tier miners as the "sweet spot" as they were more respectful of IP and their payment terms were more reasonable.

The panel also said there were issues with research organisations and universities.

Lucey said you could "window shop" IP in North American universities and any attempt to commercialise opportunities were generally on competitive terms.

But in Australia, he said the university or research organisation wanted too big a chunk of the company or revenue, making it "completely uncompetitive".

Brown agreed, saying Australia was "high up in research outcomes, but not high up in commercialising them".

Stewart said it could be difficult to compete as a start-up when research organisations and universities attracted more government funding.

"We do see research organisations competing with us and they have huge budgets," she said.

The panel agreed that it was also hard to communicate with some institutions.

"Without calling out any particular research organisation in Australia, the bigger they are, the harder they are to deal with," Lucey said.

But those institutions did find some allies in the room.

Gekko Systems MD Elizabeth Lewis-Gray said the company had established strong relationships with Curtin University and CSIRO.

"Five years ago, we would have tried to do everything ourselves," she said.

The Deep Exploration Technologies Cooperative Research Centre's Richard Hillis said universities weren't to blame.

"Don't beat up on universities, beat up on the reward system in which they operate," he said.

In a separate session, Unearthed director Justin Strharsky and METS Ignited general manager Ian Dover said accelerators were helpful to start-ups.

"Accelerators allow us to have more shots on goal," Strharsky said.

As well as introductions to important people, including miners, participants often get business advice, and accounting and legal help.

"What we're looking to do now, is to get miners involved more early in innovation," Dover said.

Dover said at a METS Ignited pilot accelerator program run last year, the key objective for participants was to find customers, rather than funding.

"Funding from customers is the best kind of funding," Strharsky added.

Strharsky was asked what one piece of advice he had for big miners when it came to innovation and the METS sector.

"Don't convince yourself it's your core business and try to do it yourself."

*Kristie Batten is editor of